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CHALLENGE: Magic vs. Tech

Create a full-bodied sprite of an original character that is either casting magic or using a technologically advanced weapon.

If you choose to make a magic user, your sprite must be wearing something purple and facing to the right -->

If you choose to make a tech user, your sprite must be wearing something cyan and facing to the left <--

Who will win? Well, it's up to you.

Canvas Size - Max 64 x 64.
Colours - Max 16. Transparency counts as a colour.
Transparency - Required.
Animation - No.


CHALLENGE RULES

  • Participants have until this upcoming Sunday at midnight (12AM Pacific) to submit their entry (strict). Don't forget to check the 'Submit to weekly challenge' checkbox.
  • Only new pixels allowed.
  • Open to all members.
  • Posting WIPs in this thread or in new threads in the WIP section is highly encouraged, but ONLY SUBMIT YOUR FINAL ART.

CHALLENGE JUDGING

  • Every Sunday at midnight (12AM Pacific) the previous week's entries are judged.
  • Every week a new voting poll will be posted for previous week's entries.
  • Winner announced the following week.

CHALLENGE PRIZES/GOODIES

  • Top three finishers will receive an award displayed in your PJ gallery profile for all to see and envy.
  • Top finisher gets to call the following week's challenge...sweet.
  • 'Participation' ribbons will be given for all who enter.
  • No matter what happens you get challenged :)

CHALLENGE VOTING

Vote now for your favorite pixelart in this week's challenge!

CHALLENGE AWARDS

The Magic vs. Tech pixel art challenge is complete and we have three new champions. This week's challenge awards go to the following pieces:



Thanks so much to all who took the time to vote and participate in the challenge!

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Quote Finlal Replybullet Posted: 15 December 2014 at 5:57am

WIP.
Is throwing weapon off allowed?
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Quote Mazmon Replybullet Posted: 15 December 2014 at 5:01pm
How do I remove an entry from the challenge? I did one of both magic and techno, but I don't think that's allowed, so I want to replace it with a different one. I've uploaded the replacement, so how do I remove the old one from the challenge?
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 15 December 2014 at 5:11pm
@Mazmon, I'll remove from challenge and leave in your gallery :)

Done > added new > don't always expect such speedy service :)

Edited by jalonso - 15 December 2014 at 5:13pm
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Quote Mazmon Replybullet Posted: 15 December 2014 at 5:18pm
Boy, that was fast!  Are   you   a   wizard?
Thanks :D
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 15 December 2014 at 5:28pm
No, I'm Tech :p
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Quote Volrak_Rutra Replybullet Posted: 15 December 2014 at 6:54pm
does this need to be pure cyan (as in 00ffff)? if not, how much deviation can I have before it stops being acceptable?
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Quote skamocore Replybullet Posted: 15 December 2014 at 8:04pm
Open to interpretation, but it should be reasonably identifiable as being a greenish-blue. Here's the cyan colour grid from Wikipedia. This is by no means a palette, just some examples.



While I'm here:


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Quote Mazmon Replybullet Posted: 15 December 2014 at 11:44pm
I'm sorry, but DAFUQ??
(edit) Ok, it's gone now.


Edited by Mazmon - 16 December 2014 at 4:45am
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Quote Drazile Replybullet Posted: 16 December 2014 at 3:20am

Rough mecha WIP. A mech counts as a weapon, right?

Originally posted by skamocore

Open to interpretation, but it should be reasonably identifiable as being a greenish-blue. Here's the cyan colour grid from Wikipedia. This is by no means a palette, just some examples.
Using one of those would be a good challenge idea if Wikipedia ever has an anniversary or something :D


Edited by Drazile - 16 December 2014 at 4:21pm
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Quote Volrak_Rutra Replybullet Posted: 16 December 2014 at 4:34am
fair enough, this solves some of my palette questions.

also, loving the challenge. reminds me of Arcanum.
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Quote TheEpicBurrito Replybullet Posted: 16 December 2014 at 12:30pm
Can't wait to work on this! :D
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Quote BathMaster_2000 Replybullet Posted: 16 December 2014 at 4:40pm
I was waiting for someone to pull those colors out of Wikipedia.

Edited by BathMaster_2000 - 16 December 2014 at 4:40pm
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Quote RBL Replybullet Posted: 16 December 2014 at 6:53pm
These are my entries, they were accepted but then removed by jalonso



At the same time he rejected me this one too:



I added this as a comments:

Drawn at 400% then resized and posterized to 7 in ps.

Full size first step: https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Rdyk19wKHnQ/VI-wvHa9vcI/AAAAAAAAA34/GiYBcTKm2W4/s256-no/skull_flames_400%25.gif


Then I found this comment of him in another topic:
These are hybrids.
Some things are hand pixelled some things are not.
Some things are pixelled then tweaked with tools/FX.

Here the idiots are the ones that don't ask.


You are free to juzgue.
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Quote Limes Replybullet Posted: 16 December 2014 at 7:04pm
Something I noticed is just how inconsistent your pixels are.
Some are good and, some are really weird, some are bad and some are amazing. There is seemingly no ramp of learning with your pixels not to mention how much better the tech skull is then the others (ALOT BETTER)

Makes me wonder?
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Quote RBL Replybullet Posted: 16 December 2014 at 8:44pm
The key is the time, I have commissioned works that took 1 to 8 hours. None of this skulls took more than hour, because they´re personal works done in spare time. I realized that at the right size and right colors it´s easy to get fancy techno textures. So the tech skull looks better.

Anyway there´s a ton of simpler and accepted works in PJ. So, this is still being suspicious.
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Quote failureboy Replybullet Posted: 16 December 2014 at 10:02pm
@RBL, I hope a moderator can come in, explain this soon, and bring an end to this dilemma.

I'm not the best judge, but even though you admitted to using "dirty" tools (resizing, posterizing) it doesn't make the effects any less obvious.  It has been deemed by others with way more experience & clout than me that it is "okay" to resize and even reduce colors on pixel art SO LONG AS YOU THEN go back into the piece and do some manual work at the pixel level.  We have to get a sense - or it needs to be apparent - that you did this.  Otherwise people will tend to not vote your work in.

By the way, go into the forum now and see all of the submissions by joodas.  His pieces look fantastic - so fantastic that it's obvious he just ran an image through a few pixel filters to get the effect.  Virtually no one is voting his work in.

Personally, I have to say I think your tech skull piece should have been approved and I guess I officially question jalonso's reason for doing so.  You may have taken some shortcuts, but it seems clear that you did zoom in, switch to using a pencil tool, and kept the colors under reasonable control.

Just my two cents.
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Quote failureboy Replybullet Posted: 16 December 2014 at 10:05pm
I suppose the issue hinges largely on what "tweaking with tools" really means.
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Quote DawnBringer Replybullet Posted: 16 December 2014 at 10:10pm
Regardless of how the skulls where produced they don't qualify for this challenge because they're not "a full-bodied sprite of an original character". Besides, the point of the challenges is to motivate and push oneself (into doing new & greater things)...not to serve as venue to be spammed with half-assed creations.
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Quote RBL Replybullet Posted: 16 December 2014 at 11:04pm
They are oversized floating skulls, many games have them.
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Quote Mazmon Replybullet Posted: 17 December 2014 at 1:51am
Maybe you could just do a Skeletor-type dude? Or a person using a skull-shaped weapon?
Also, is there a limit of one entry per person, or can I do a tech one as well as a magic one?
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 17 December 2014 at 6:02am
Originally posted by RBL

These are my entries, they were accepted but then removed by jalonso...


I fear that you may think I'm out to get you which is something I never do to anyone here. I did not remove all of your work.
The two entries were sent back after being added to the challenge only because you did not follow the rules for this challenge. Full body sprites seems clear and a skull does not meet that challenge. If you had a skull mobile, or some kind of bot being driven by a humanoid then that could be a full body sprite.
You are creative and it seems like you want to pixel but this is best achieved by getting a good grasp on the basic pixelling techniques before experimenting. You are only cheating yourself.

My personal (not admin) opinion. You are not yet at a skill level to jump into reductions, tool usage and manipulations. These techniques that are not allowed in the PJ gallery anyhow but are also proper techniques in commercial projects and there is time for that after the basics.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 17 December 2014 at 6:03am
Originally posted by Mazmon

Also, is there a limit of one entry per person, or can I do a tech one as well as a magic one?


There is not limit on entries in PJ of any kind.
Be aware that most PJers prefer quality over quantity and will treat you accordingly.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 17 December 2014 at 6:28am
Originally posted by failureboy

@RBL, I hope a moderator can come in, explain this soon, and bring an end to this dilemma.

I'm not the best judge, but even though you admitted to using "dirty" tools (resizing, posterizing) it doesn't make the effects any less obvious.  It has been deemed by others with way more experience & clout than me that it is "okay" to resize and even reduce colors on pixel art SO LONG AS YOU THEN go back into the piece and do some manual work at the pixel level.  We have to get a sense - or it needs to be apparent - that you did this.  Otherwise people will tend to not vote your work in.


This is always on a case by case basis and is likely allowed sometimes not, case by case.
Reducing your own NPA art and then cleaning and polishing to a certain level is now deemed acceptable. Refs are highly encouraged for these so that the viewer may inspect closely.

Originally posted by failureboy

By the way, go into the forum now and see all of the submissions by joodas.  His pieces look fantastic - so fantastic that it's obvious he just ran an image through a few pixel filters to get the effect.  Virtually no one is voting his work in.


This is always on a case by case basis and is likely never allowed sometimes yes.
The big deal for many (me, especially and something I'm very harsh on) is the subject of plagiarism. I don't think its ever proper for any creative person to 'borrow' from another to create their own work to pass as an original.
Fanart, ref'd and even generally traced then colored are all ok. This is very tough to review. The joodas examples are a perfect case for this. They all show control and skill. The reduced and cleaned Ice Cube, girl photo and the album cover are reductions of other people's work where nothing but pixelling happens. This may seem cool but its not because its just as much a RIP as anything else. We artists get respect because we respect others work.

note: One of my favorite artists is Jeff Koons who has built a career out of plagiarism, art theft, paying people to make his work for him and yet everything he makes is original, creative and awesome.

Originally posted by failureboy

Personally, I have to say I think your tech skull piece should have been approved and I guess I officially question jalonso's reason for doing so.  You may have taken some shortcuts, but it seems clear that you did zoom in, switch to using a pencil tool, and kept the colors under reasonable control.

Just my two cents.


Indeed this was a 50/50 and its a total of all things considered.
I (we) don't always have the time to spell it all out in detail and hope for other PJers to chime in as many have here. All with excellent points.
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Quote ultimaodin Replybullet Posted: 17 December 2014 at 10:44am
Been on a long hiatus due to uni and terrible Australian internet. May as well take this opportunity to work on a weekly challenge. :3



I'll do my tech character tomorrow hopefully
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Quote RBL Replybullet Posted: 17 December 2014 at 11:54am
Originally posted by jalonso

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My personal (not admin) opinion. You are not yet at a skill level to jump into reductions, tool usage and manipulations. These techniques that are not allowed in the PJ gallery anyhow but are also proper techniques in commercial projects and there is time for that after the basics.


That's all I needed, so you are judging me and not the technique because there?s approved works that doesn't fit with that rule. And in your opinion I'm not worthy to do reductions and posterization. And, because you?re an admin, you can cancel my works completely legally.

Alright, I know why are you the so proud "
People's Moderator II".


Anyway, I redesigned my tech skull in a new tech-skull-o-mobile:



And added a new magic character with purple golem armor:


I put some efort in a free dithering method to achieve some engraving texture.

ultimaodin: Nice skin shading, but the dithered transparency looks ood.


Edited by RBL - 17 December 2014 at 4:10pm
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Quote Limes Replybullet Posted: 17 December 2014 at 12:09pm
Originally posted by RBL

Originally posted by jalonso

(...)My personal (not admin) opinion. You are not yet
at a skill level to jump into reductions, tool usage and manipulations.
These techniques that are not allowed in the PJ gallery anyhow but are
also proper techniques in commercial projects and there is time for that
after the basics.
That?s all I needed, so you are
juzging me and not the technique because there?s approved works that
doesn?t fit with that rule. And in your opinion I?m not worthy to do
reductions and posterization. And, because you?re an admin, you can
cancel my works <span id="result_" ="short_text" lang="en"><span ="hps">completely</span> <span ="hps">legally.Alright, I know why are you the so proud "</span></span><span id="result_" ="short_text" lang="en"><span ="hps">People's Moderator II".Anyway,


No, no, no. Jalonso wants only for you to improve, jal does not single people out. And that was his personal opinion not "because he's admin"

Your new ones are nice.
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Quote ultimaodin Replybullet Posted: 17 December 2014 at 8:59pm
@RBL - Yeah, the dithered transparency was a test... I thought it failed to.XD

Sadly using a semi transparent shade isn't allowed here at PJ, even if you do it with complete pixel control.


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Quote Mishok Replybullet Posted: 18 December 2014 at 2:57am
Hi, everybody.
What would you like to advise about this?
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Quote Drazile Replybullet Posted: 18 December 2014 at 3:54am
Doesn't seem purple enough. Maybe try purple pants?

Also, second WIP.


EDIT: Final probably



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Quote failureboy Replybullet Posted: 18 December 2014 at 7:01pm
no animation, Drazile
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Quote Bcadren Replybullet Posted: 18 December 2014 at 8:32pm


This was my last version of it (also had a WIP thread). I'm calling it done but I'm having issues pulling the trigger and submitting it so it's going to chill here too for a bit.
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Quote Mazmon Replybullet Posted: 18 December 2014 at 8:48pm
If he's usin' magic, he should be facing right. Looks cool how he's got a robe and a skull face, he looks like Skeletor "You won't stop me this time, He-Man!
I also like how he's got a little speech bubble too.
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Quote Bcadren Replybullet Posted: 18 December 2014 at 8:50pm
Derp. Flipped:

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Quote Drazile Replybullet Posted: 18 December 2014 at 9:23pm
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no animation, Drazile

Ah, okay. Not that that's a problem, it's an easy fix.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 19 December 2014 at 4:53am
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Quote Splurge Replybullet Posted: 20 December 2014 at 11:36am
Challenge's not over, but I think I would have voted for at least one of the two skulls, disembodied or not. They were a nice couple.
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Quote RBL Replybullet Posted: 20 December 2014 at 1:32pm
I've modified the tech skull again with an effect of propulsion.


Still AWAITING APPROVAL.

Splurge: Thanks for the support.


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Quote RBL Replybullet Posted: 20 December 2014 at 1:47pm
Bcadrem


Your skeletal mage looks fun but the black eyed flame guy is only noticeable when zoom it. And at this size the noisy hands doesn?t work properly.

Drazile

Your mecha looks fun with those thin legs and solid cockpit. But wait, Is there 2 pilots in that little space?

Mishock

Acceptabele from far, but imprecise when zoom it, mix dark tones (newtralizers) to save color to add for the skin for example. If you?re using black borders, use them with logic, not only for the pants and boots, the arm and stick needs black line too. Cape and hood need volume.
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Quote Volrak_Rutra Replybullet Posted: 20 December 2014 at 4:52pm
ok, guys, i have to come clean. I messed up. i guess i kinda assumed that an attack sprite would be animated, so I went ahead and did this http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/91074.htm

it got approved pretty quickly, but then one of the commenters pointed out that animation is not allowed. so now i am in a bit of a pickle, since here are my choices now:

-remove animation (i don't want to do this, since the animation makes the piece really)

-remove laser shots and give her rifle or something (this is also bad choice for me since i consider this here piece a breakthrough for myself, so i would want to upload it again, now having two almost identical pieces in my gallery)

-remove piece from challenge (i don't know how, and secondly, i really like participating in challenges, but seems like a only real choice)

-have the current piece as preview and make non-animated version my main one (kinda crappy way to go about it, misdirects the viewer)

so if anyone has a suggestion on to how i should go about this issue, please help me out.

if mods feel like this piece doesn't belong in the challenge, feel free to remove it.

i promise i'll read the rules better next time and try to make no assumptions from now on.


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Quote Mazmon Replybullet Posted: 20 December 2014 at 6:33pm
You could try making her laser beam bigger, like this: http://sta.sh/01llemekec5j
Also try giving her more techy-lookin' armor.


Edited by Mazmon - 20 December 2014 at 6:35pm
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 20 December 2014 at 8:18pm
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...that animation is not allowed...


I removed from the challenge but left in your gallery because this is a non animated challenge. I did this to be safe because after the clock stops then it can't be removed and that would be unfair.
If you decide to make non animated then you have to contact a Mod before challenge ends and you've updated the page.
One person had the same problem you did and went with an animated preview and a still art. You can do that or just move on and let it be.
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Quote Volrak_Rutra Replybullet Posted: 20 December 2014 at 8:50pm
thanks, jal.

i really feel that attack sprite would be so much more interesting with animation, but fair is fair, no animation means no animation. at least i did the right thing and turned myself in. and the ultimate result - the artwork - is still there. i might do another one, but probably won't have the time.

I don't want to do animated preview because this misdirects the viewer, who clicks it and discovers a still sprite. also, i don't want to just make a small edit, because then i'll have two pieces in my gallery that are too similar.

Mazmon, thanks, i loved your little reimagining of my piece, very cute. but the problem is still there - if i do this, and keep the animated one in my gallery, i will have too much of the same thing.
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Quote Mazmon Replybullet Posted: 20 December 2014 at 10:48pm
I wouldn't worry about it if I were you. If you add more shading and stuff you could call it "HD version" or something.
Ooooor you could change the animated one's color scheme, and make a new one with Lady Gaga-esque machinegun tits.
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 21 December 2014 at 4:24am
Originally posted by Volrak_Rutra

... i did the right thing and turned myself in...


I see what you did there...Brownosing to be on Santa's nice list

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Quote ultimaodin Replybullet Posted: 21 December 2014 at 12:58pm
Yeah, this style is hard. :(

Everything lookswrong. The tanktop is especially wrong. The right (our left) arm is alsorts of screwed and I need to sleep soI won't be able to fathom it in time to upload


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Quote Volrak_Rutra Replybullet Posted: 21 December 2014 at 2:23pm
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Originally posted by Volrak_Rutra

... i did the right thing and turned myself in...


I see what you did there...Brownosing to be on Santa's nice list



well, this is the last time i do the mods' job for them then
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Quote jalonso Replybullet Posted: 21 December 2014 at 2:49pm
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Originally posted by jalonso


Originally posted by Volrak_Rutra

... i did the right thing and turned myself in...
I see what you did there...Brownosing to be on Santa's nice list


well, this is the last time i do the mods' job for them then


I hope not. In theory every PJer is as much of a Mod as they choose to be. Mods with access are regular PJers first and always and are just here to take care of some backend stuff that is all.
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Quote RBL Replybullet Posted: 21 December 2014 at 8:28pm
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ok, guys, i have to come clean. I messed up. i guess i kinda assumed that an attack sprite would be animated, so I went ahead and did this http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/91074.htm

it got approved pretty quickly, but then one of the commenters pointed out that animation is not allowed. so now i am in a bit of a pickle, since here are my choices now:

-remove animation (i don't want to do this, since the animation makes the piece really)

-remove laser shots and give her rifle or something (this is also bad choice for me since i consider this here piece a breakthrough for myself, so i would want to upload it again, now having two almost identical pieces in my gallery)

-remove piece from challenge (i don't know how, and secondly, i really like participating in challenges, but seems like a only real choice)

-have the current piece as preview and make non-animated version my main one (kinda crappy way to go about it, misdirects the viewer)

so if anyone has a suggestion on to how i should go about this issue, please help me out.

if mods feel like this piece doesn't belong in the challenge, feel free to remove it.

i promise i'll read the rules better next time and try to make no assumptions from now on.


Try to make the image with some flying shots and and movement effect to suggest the mechanical bra.
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