The iPhone


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Maybe you saw it coming.  Apple has announced that it is making a cell phone.  A cell phone that includes a widescreen iPod, powerful internet and a touch interface.  As if Apple's stock hasn't risen enough...

http://www.apple.com/iphone/

Posted by Faktablad @ 1/9/2007 17:11  |    54

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xpinkxmoonx (Level 1 Rookie) @ 10/19/2007 10:56

ello

 


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Ensellitis (Level 11 Sensei) @ 1/16/2007 04:51
wtf kinda thinking is that?  god, i am done with this whole argument.  some of you make very good points in debates, then you come in here and say that you hate their marketing?  that means you hate every product out there, because EVERY SINGLE COMPANY on earth does guerrilla marketing, not just apple.  i am not some huge mac fan, i have never owned one and probably never will, but what you said even pisses me off. 

guerrilla marketing is what sells products, plain and simple.  it is everywhere.  walk into a grocery store, those bright colors, items at the end of the aisle, bakery at the rear of the store, etc, that is all guerrilla tactics that are used.  ford, chevy, honda, audi, they all use it.

besides, most of the marketing you are talking about was not done by apple, but by loyal users.

anyways, thanks to the few of you that provided real intellectual merit to this "debate", "argument", "discussion" or what have you because i will not be posting in here again.  to the rest of you, remember  what albert einstein once said "If A is success in life, then A equals x plus y plus z. Work is x; y is play; and z is keeping your mouth shut."

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Shivers (Level 1 Rookie) @ 1/15/2007 18:56
I'm going a bit off topic here but,

I've never been a fan of apple. They're still trying to fight a "war" that they didn't win 20 years ago. They've always been considerd the "designers" computer but I've never switched. '
It used to be Apple Vs IBM and they've transferred that to Apple vs PC which is stupid because Macs ARE a PC.

They have nice streamline designs, they need to give up the guerilla marketing and just focus on their promoting their products instead of trying to win a competition that doesn't exist. I'm also tired of them trying to market themselves as the "cool" persons computer and anyone that uses anything else is a nerdy business man. Sorry, I'll take the nerdy businessman over the mouthy brat any day.

Apple catches my eye with their snappy designs, but then slaps me in the face with their "holier than thou" marketing. I'll buy their products when they stop blatantly lying about what other products can and cannot do.  I think this sums up how I feel about their marketing right now:

http://www.ctrlaltdel-online.com/comics/20060513.jpg


Don't hate the product, hate the marketing behind it :)

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Aleiav (Level 2 Quiet One) @ 1/15/2007 18:32
I don't care how durable the case is, the Zune is bull. And cases aren't THAT expensive. I bought a great leather one for just 10 bucks on Amazon. If you want some fancy schmancy designer case maybe, but a decent one doesn't cost that much.

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glassy glaze (Level 3 Corporate Drone) @ 1/15/2007 07:35
The iPhone needs cingular because the random access voicemail feature needs provider's support... so Apple signed with cingular in order to sell the iPhone with all its features. It's explained in the keynote.
I think that all the other features will work with every provider.

I don't need a device like that, but I think that Torpedos is right saying:
"what's made Apple so successful is that they've taken technology that (usually) already exists and made it simpler, cleaner, and better."
The only tecnology of the iPhone that's new is the multi-tuch display, but the way as it is smart and well designed (I'm not talking of aesthetics) is revolutionary... imho.

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jalonso (Level 11 Godfather) @ 1/14/2007 08:50
resistance is futile

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Sohashu (Level 7 Sheriff) @ 1/12/2007 22:49
http://www.smh.com.au/news/technology/punishment-of-jobs-apple-sued-over-iphone-rights/2007/01/11/1168105113630.html

Heh. 

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Ensellitis (Level 11 Sensei) @ 1/12/2007 16:52
oh please...  phones can be sim unlocked easily...  i have unlocked every phone i have ever had within 10 minutes of getting it.  so thats no reason

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Buzz (Level 1 Rookie) @ 1/12/2007 14:05
Oh yeah, don't know if anyone brought this up, but it's gonna be exclusively Cingular service!  Just another reason for me not to buy it...

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vanSchmidt (Level 1 Intern) @ 1/12/2007 08:33

The Iphone looks like a pda, hmm... I'd Definitly buy it, after I read the customer reviews! Dun want some zune crap.

But I'll only get this Iphone after I get my Ferrari Enzo and Lamborgini Spider


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Sir.Brian (Level 1 Gangster) @ 1/12/2007 08:04
...and iPod case costs 30+ bucks for a decent one. my pal has a Zune however, and that thing has a 'very' durable case.

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Faktablad (Level 6 SWAT) @ 1/11/2007 21:47
I would like to have one, if I had more money.  If Apple released this at an affordable price, I would be interested.

Monsoon brings up a good point.  Apple seems to think that it's totally cool to sell products with scratchaholic casings and then sell hip aftermarket "iPod covers".  I would not want to drop an iPhone.

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Ensellitis (Level 11 Sensei) @ 1/11/2007 18:42
*sniff, sniff*  do you guys smell that?  it smells like a mixture of old people, mothballs, ben-gay, and BULLSHIT

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jalonso (Level 11 Godfather) @ 1/11/2007 18:40
resistance is futile

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Ensellitis (Level 11 Sensei) @ 1/11/2007 18:04
my phone i have now does all that as it is...  so the iphone would have to really impress me to be on top

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Aleiav (Level 2 Quiet One) @ 1/11/2007 17:46
The touch screen isn't the ONLY thing that makes the iPhone awesome. This other phone doesn't have random access voicemail, google maps, customizable widgets, a full fledged browser, or rich text HTML email. Not to mention an ambient light detector or an ultra smart touch sensor. I doubt hardly it has ALL of the same features. Maybe some, but not all.

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Ensellitis (Level 11 Sensei) @ 1/11/2007 14:23
that phone really doesnt offer anything to set it apart.  all it really is a touchscreen.  it isnt any kind of smartphone, so it can only run java apps (maybe).  there is a huge difference between a smartphone and a cell phone.  i would never even think twice about that lg, it looks cool, but thats about it

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Megadedhed (Level 2 Quiet One) @ 1/11/2007 13:40
i have a 12oz phone from 1997 that only wonks as a phone... and it works for me great.

I have an Mp3 player for music,
i have a Pda for internet
I have a camera for a camera,
and im happy with it that way

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Toby (Level 3 Stalker) @ 1/11/2007 13:38
Hehe, someone at LG has been following Apple's patent filing ;)

http://guides.macrumors.com/Gallery_of_Gesture_User_Interface_Patent
http://hrmpf.com/wordpress/51/apple-multipoint-touchscreen/

these were obviously (?) filed back in February last year.

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Buzz (Level 1 Rookie) @ 1/11/2007 13:05

Yay, time for me to refute...I like debating...

I'm sure this will become a very functional and popular product, but I can't seem to help but think it's getting it's popularity just cause it's Apple...

http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/cellphones/lg-ke850-sports-a-touchscreen-interface-222110.php

This phone has nearly the same minimalist approach as the iphone and has all the same features of the iphone (so far).  Information on it was released back in late 2006 (nov-dec), yet no one says anything about it.  Apple releases a very similar device (I'm not saying they stole ideas), and it gets a huge amount of attention, that I personally think is unwarranted...

 


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Ensellitis (Level 11 Sensei) @ 1/11/2007 11:42
just because it meets those doesnt make it the right phone.  it all comes down to usability.  once i have the chance to use it and see if it works for me, then i'll consider it.  when i began looking for my pda phone, i had over 10 models that were potential canidates, and i turned out only liking one.

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Aleiav (Level 2 Quiet One) @ 1/11/2007 11:35
Ens have you seen the keynote. From the looks of it the iPhone meets al your requirements.

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Ensellitis (Level 11 Sensei) @ 1/11/2007 07:17
i cant live without my smartphone, and since most of you are still high schoolers, you may not understand why.  for the professionals out there, you know why.  i can plug my phone into my computer at night before i go to bed, and in the morning i can grab it and it has all the emails i recieved and all my appointments synced.  when i get a phone, i have requirements:
1. wifi - so i dont have to pay to surf the internet.  also, there are technologies in the works so you can have your credit card info on your phone and transmit it to the store via secure connections.  plus, i have already paid people at flea markets and trade shows via paypal using my phone...
2. applications - i have a windows mobile 5 on it, and i application unlocked it, so i can install anything i want on it.  i have irc, games galore, opera mobile, etc.
3.  syncing - MUST be able to sync with outlook or the like, so i dont have to enter appointments twice.
4.  camera - you never know when youll need it...
5. mp3/video - i have 2gb in my phone right now...  i have 4 movies and 200 mp3s on there, and still have room to spare.  300 is MORE than enough for me, i am never in a situation that i will need 5000 songs on an mp3 player because i would never listen to all of them
6. size - im not going to carry around a huge brick phone.  i also prefer not to carry around an mp3 player, camera, phone, pda, etc.  so i carry around a phone that does it all.
7. games - boredom can kill a person, and if im bored enough, i could kill bystanders
8.  user friendly gui - a huge one.  if i dont feel comfortable using it, i wont.  apple has always done a good job of making user friendly gui, that is what i love most about them.  i believe that the iphone will do just that.

most importantly, all of you are judging a phone that isnt even available yet.  you havent tested it, held it, or anything along those lines.  in order to judge a device, or anything for that matter, you need to test it.  its like writing a movie review based on the ads for it, or yes, JUDGING A BOOK BY ITS COVER.

i am in no way saying i am going to go out and buy an iphone the day it comes out, and im not saying i wont do it.  i am waiting to get the chance to judge it the right way.  besides, providers always provide discounts, so the price will probably be slashed if you upgrade or extend your service.  so please, instead of shunning and praising a device before it is released, wait until it is released...  people said that the xbox would fail before it was released, and people said the virtualboy would be the best system ever...

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vanSchmidt (Level 1 Intern) @ 1/11/2007 06:18

Oh well I don't even have a phone... or never had one before...


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Sir.Brian (Level 1 Gangster) @ 1/11/2007 06:11
I have a punk-ass Kyocera phone.

It has a flashlight.


It was free with the service.

I can throw it at a wall.

That being said.. the iPhone (shite name, again, btw) looks like another awesome gadget that i can't see ever getting.

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sedgemonkey (Level 11 Master Assassin) @ 1/11/2007 01:04
Torpedoes:  "I think that what's made Apple so successful is that they've taken technology that (usually) already exists and made it simpler, cleaner, and better."

That sums it all up with one minor detail... Apple always slaps on a premium for making it better.

The iPhone is definitely close to what I would pay $600 for.  In order for me to purchase this lovely product I would need the following to happen:

  1. The digital camera should actually replace my digital camera -- at least on par with Canon's midrange offerings.
  2. The capacity has to be closer to 40GB (20GB minimum for any consideration as an MP3/Video player).
  3. No two year contract with a specific carrier.
  4. No massive charges from the carrier (these haven't been covered, but I can almost guarantee there will a huge premium to fully utilize the phone as they demonstrate).
  5. The touch screen needs to work flawlessly... there's a reason beyond technical limitations that we don't use touch screens on more devices -- it usually doesn't "feel" right.
  6. The synchronization of data has to be open to outside applications. I'm a tinkerer and there's nothing I despise more than being locked into one application.
  7. It has to be at least as durable as your average cell phone. I'm always fumbling and dropping my camera and my mp3 player and lord knows I've abused the shit out of my phone and they've all held up well.
  8. Games, games, games.  It doesn't have to be a DS replacement, but a half dozen puzzle/card games bundled in would go a long way with me.

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Toby (Level 3 Stalker) @ 1/10/2007 22:37
Buzz, your arguments are funny. Apple has hardly ever really introduced any new technology as souch. Theyve almost always used existing technology in their revolutionary products. What makes them revolutionary is how they pack that technology together as a seamless user experience. I mean, they populized the GUI (they didn't invent it but actually bought the idea from Zerox), before the first Mac most computers were operated via command lines. There were MP3-players before the iPod. Hell, even Creative had a HD MP3 player before them, but they didn't do it right. User interfaces were crap and to this day none of the others have really got it as spot on as the iPod. The scroll wheel and the iPod interface, affordable pricing and agressive marketing really did change the way most people (in western countries) now want to listen to their music on the go. And in the end, has even sparked a new way of distributing music. That's a pretty big impact i'd say. Now the iPhone may not be as phenomenal as the iPod and the Mac, but it shure as hell packs a lot of technology in one sexy packet. Apple is good at getting things right, and the iPhone may well be the new iPod of phones/pdas. The technology may have been around for some time, but no one's utilized it before like Apple has with the iPhone. The prise point is actually pretty fair if you compare it with the other high end smart phone/pda/network peripherals out there. And featurewise those don't even stack up to the iPhone. Besides we're bound to see the prices go down by the second generation at least :)

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Torpedoes (Level 2 Peon) @ 1/10/2007 22:22
Buzz - I think that what's made Apple so successful is that they've taken technology that (usually) already exists and made it simpler, cleaner, and better. I owned a shitton of MP3 players before the iPod came out, and I didn't see what all the hype was about until I actually owned one. It didn't really do anything differently, it just thought differently about the things it was doing. Same for OSX, they just took the basics of an operating system and rethought them and came out with something beautiful (that's complete opinion, though, I know people who despise OSX). Sorry if my tone in that last comment was grouchy, I just.. I really hate my phone.

Aleiav - Yeah, I think that the iPhone is aiming for younger people as well as the business class. As a young business-person, the idea of having one of these is amazing. I don't think it'd ever leave my side. Right now I have an iPod, my crap Chocolate phone, a separate GPS unit.. and the idea of having all of those things, plus the functionality of a PDA, in one unit? That's really exciting to me. But I definitely understand why some people wouldn't be down to pay $500-600 for something that they'd only use as a phone.

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vanSchmidt (Level 1 Intern) @ 1/10/2007 20:48

Aleiav.. your making me want to buy it..never surrender to Apple!

 


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Aleiav (Level 2 Quiet One) @ 1/10/2007 19:56
I guess I'll go ahead and explain myself a bit more.
I've seen web browsing on my stepfather's Blackberry. It's pretty much crap. The browser on iPhone looks amazingly sophisticated. The email abilities is also extremely sophisticated for a phone. The address book looks so much better than on my phone, not to mention the ability of a keypad and syncing your contacts with iTunes. That would be so much easier even for me to set up. The conference all abilities as well as the small and unobtrusive bluetooth piece is also extremely impressive. Also the random access voicemail is definitely a revolutionary feature that not even Blackberry has. The flick scrolling is amazing, as well as the pinch zooming. Also WIDGETS! Widgets on a phone! Widgets are great because you can get them customized, which I'm sure the phone has the ability to. A phone running an operating system, while it may not seem like a big deal, seems amazing to me. Not to mention google maps right on your phone! You could search for a pizza place close and give them a call with one tap. That's also amazing to me.

I don't think the iPhone is really aimed for people like us, the younger generation. But I do know it would be IDEAL for buisness people, like my stepfather, who wouldn't have or need 25 GB of songs on one device and would only need a couple of videos for a buisness flight or something.

I think that the keynote address really explains all the features on the iPhone clearly and argues it much better than I do. I think, even though I wouldn't necessarily use all of the features and might not buy it myself, it's an astounding product.

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The B.O.B. (Level 11 Master Assassin) @ 1/10/2007 19:30
The B.O.B.'s 3 cents:

   Call me old fashioned, but the only reason I would want a phone, is to....well, call somebody. Nothing else. And something over the price of $250, is just beyond belief for me. Why settle for something that is asscrap at playing videos, music, browsing, and storing data, when there are individual devices out there that handle the tasks much better.' Vurd up, homies....

The B.O.B. out...

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Buzz (Level 1 Rookie) @ 1/10/2007 16:41

Let's get some things straight:

A. I don't praise the Chocolate at all.  I personally don't like it, as family members have had problems with theirs.  I was simply using it as comparison of technologies, since 75% of the people I've talked have never seen an mp3 phone or a touch screen phone...

B. I would never buy the Zune, use the Zune, or reccomend the Zune.  Again, I was just trying to show the technologies it used, that people seem to be amazed about, just cause Apple is doing it.  Personally, I own an Archos, and wouldn't think of owning anything else.

C. I understand the convienence of a functional, all-in-one device, that Apple is trying to market here.  I also understand that devices such as PDA's sell at similar prices as the iphone will.  However I just can't bring myself to think that all that it offers is worth the price.  I'd much rather purchase a extremely functional mp3 player, such as my Archos, that does almost all these things, and spend a decent amount on a nice phone with PDA capabilities, spend less money, and just have to deal with one extra thing in my pocket...

That's my two cents...just saying.


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Torpedoes (Level 2 Peon) @ 1/10/2007 16:26
I have a Chocolate. It's a piece of shit - the touchscreen is worthless and I've had to replace it twice because it dies every three months. Listening to MP3s on it is painful - not only do I have to buy separate cards for storage, and transfer MP3s from computer to card to phone, but the interface is ridiculous and clunky and slow. I've wanted a new phone since the day I bought my Chocolate.. if you look up consumer reviews, you'll find that I'm far from being the only one.

From my experiences, I think the Zune is a joke. I've used one, I've tried to install the software on my sister's computer, and I will tell you personally that it's overhyped crap. It might get better with future generations, but it's garbage right now.. the rights management is insane (far worse than Apple's), the software crashed my sister's computer twice when I was installing it, it's unnecessarily large, it's ugly and cheap-looking. And its one saving grace, the idea of sharing songs & playlists, is useless. Not just because nobody else owns a Zune, but because of the restrictions of actually using the sharing system.

Are there PDAs with similar features? Yes, but not all of the features, and they're not much cheaper than the suggested price. The excitement, at least in my eyes, comes from the fact that Apple has managed to give people a really beautiful, elegant, friendly, all-in-one solution to the trouble of having to buy & carry around three or four different devices.

I think the problem is the fact that Apple is calling it the "iPhone," because it automatically makes people think they're paying $500 for a phone. But, like a lot of the reviews have said, the "phone" part of it seems to be the least interesting. It's the ultimate portable device.

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Buzz (Level 1 Rookie) @ 1/10/2007 16:06

I just can't stand how people are drooling over this phone..., theres nothing that spectacular about it.

Touch screen phones are nothing new, nor are mp3 playing phones.  In fact, the Chocolate, has both as well.  Granite, it doesn't have the hard drive size, but I digress...If there is any reason to gawk over this phone, those aren't the reaons, even though thats what most people, especially the ignorant kids at my school carry on about.  As far as the tilt screen functions, it's nothing new really.  The technology has been around for about 8 years now, seen mostly in digital cameras.  You can even see it more recently with the Zune.  The PDA capabilities of this phone don't really strike me as anything special either.  I've seen phones with just as many features or more. 

The only thing that really make this stand apart at all is the fact that the screen cuts off while your talking, and the multiple touch capabilities.  Though these aren't huge things, they are nice touches that make it more convienient. 

Basically, I don't hate this phone, but for the features, price, and capabilities of other devices on the market, I don't see what all the excitement is about.


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Animmaniac (Level 4 Murderer) @ 1/10/2007 15:40
I always told my brother, "why they don't make a cellphone with a big touch screen and get rid of all those buttons?"
Now I got my answer: still is too expensive.

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Torpedoes (Level 2 Peon) @ 1/10/2007 14:45
I've had a couple of MP3 phones, and all of them had such clunky, slow interfaces that I never used them as MP3 players. And of course there are PDA phones, but there aren't any PDA-MP3-camera-GPS-OSX-etcetc phones, let alone any which are as beautifully designed or interfaced.

Also, as far as the Accelerometer technology goes, I can tell you from experience that any phone which uses touch-sensitive technology would benefit greatly from the things that Apple has done with it. Almost every day I have to interrupt a conversation on my phone with "oh, fuck, sorry, just a second" because I hit the touch-sensitive area with my ear and it launches into some other mode. Not to mention the battery life that the feature will save.

The multi-touch technology on the phone is really useful in a lot of ways other than the wow-factor of being able to scale photos and organize shit. Read up some more on the things they're doing with it, it's crazy.

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pmprog (Level 4 Murderer) @ 1/10/2007 14:25
Hmmm, a PDA phone, never seen one of those before *cough* XDA *cough*. Or even MP3 phone like there aren't thousands of them already...

Ohh, and now Nintendo used Accelerometers for the controllers on the Wii, everyone wants them, even for no benefit...

I also don't see the advantage of "multi-touch" on a phone, as if the screen is big enough to effectively use it...

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Torpedoes (Level 2 Peon) @ 1/10/2007 14:05
Well, the touchscreen technology is pretty revolutionary for a lot of reasons.. especially because it's multi-touch.

The price tag is ridiculous if you think of it as a phone, but if you think of it as a phone AND pda AND camera AND iPod AND gps nav system AND a mini-osx capable of running various widgets, then it makes more sense. To me, at least.

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Khris (Level 1 Thug) @ 1/10/2007 13:37
I think it's pretty worthless. I'm good with listening to music on my CD player (at full quality), and even if I were to purchase a cellphone I'd probably only be using it (a cheap one, at that) for those emergency situations like my parents always tell my sister to. As for portable video and internet, they just seem pointless to me. Especially when computers are virtually everywhere these days. Don't get me wrong, this would be cool to have if the pricetag were more along the lines of the DS' (which has a totally REVOLUTIONARY touchscreen, not sure if you knew about that).

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ceddo (Level 6 Yonkyu) @ 1/10/2007 11:53
Another extremely symbolic move by apple: until now, Apple was called Apple Computers Incorporated. Now, they renamed theirselves simply to Apple Incorporated!

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Monsoon2D (Level 2 Flatfoot) @ 1/10/2007 08:44
Or you can not get it because the thought of dropping that phone should make you ill.  Oh, and the touch-screen? If you use your phone a lot, can you imagine how often you're going to have to clean the screen? Maybe it won't be so bad if you use a stylus... but now we're talking about using a stylus on a phone. Weak.

Don't get me wrong; If I had half a grand to blow on a whim, I'd consider purchasing it. ... Or I could just keep my current phone and get an Archos 604 Wifi for $449.  Yeah, I think I'd rather do that.

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ben2theedge (Level 1 Jukyu) @ 1/10/2007 08:42
8 gig could barely hold my music, much less my videos. It's wicked cool... but it'll be cooler when it has a larger hard drive and smaller price tag.

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Aleiav (Level 2 Quiet One) @ 1/10/2007 08:25
Not to mention it's not coming out until June 2007 so it gives you PLENTY of time to save up that money.

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Aleiav (Level 2 Quiet One) @ 1/10/2007 08:24
Seriously guys, watch the keynote. Most people pay 499 for the smartphones nowadays. And as the keynote says, most of them don't use it for mp3 playing cause it's crap so they end up buying an iPod too. This is an awesome NEW iPod WITH a revolutionary web browsing applet and phone. It's worth WAY more than 499. I'd consider that cheap given all the features it has. WATCH THE KEYNOTE, it's got some awesome features no phone has today.

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Ensellitis (Level 11 Sensei) @ 1/10/2007 02:09
blackeye, because nokia never raises the bar, they just follow the pack like all the other companies do.  apple atleast tries to set their product apart from the others...  and as for way to expensive, look at some of the other phones out there.  nokia has 1 phone that retails for 700 right now that plays video and mp3 as well that at most can hold 2gb.

i just paid 325 for my new phone only because it is a pocket pc phone.  i only pay the price if it merits it, like my phone...  it is a pocket pc and a phone.  with the iphone, its an mp3/video player with alot of storage, and is basically a mac smartphone.  if i could afford it, i would probably get it...

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sedgemonkey (Level 11 Master Assassin) @ 1/10/2007 02:03
I'm impressed with the design and UI (as always with Apple), but I heard it'll cost $599. That's way the hell too expensive for me. Even if it were half that I don't think I'd get it.

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Ensellitis (Level 11 Sensei) @ 1/10/2007 02:01
http://www.engadget.com/photos/first-iphone-pics/

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BlackEye (Level 2 Quiet One) @ 1/10/2007 01:15
dammit, do you even post news if nokia is releasing a new phone?
apple is the devil

and wayyyyyyyy too expensive

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Aleiav (Level 2 Quiet One) @ 1/10/2007 00:18
THIS PHONE IS FUCKING AMAZING. wow. I'm sorry but I DOUBT very seriously anyone could do any better. And if 8GB isn't enough just wait a little longer. I'm sure something will be done. It is expensive, but it seems seriously worth it.

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Khris (Level 1 Thug) @ 1/9/2007 21:35
You're pretty much right. According to the wikipedia page, it'll cost 499 (4GB) or 599(8GB). It almost makes the PS3 look worthy of a purchase to me!



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